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RE[7]: The Point

June 29, 2009, 4:48 pm

You've even changed the topic and context again... Originally, you hopped on a thread that was claiming that Haiku was broken and "doomed". First, you asked if it was relevant... Yes. IMO Linux hasn't...

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RE[6]: The Point

June 29, 2009, 11:33 am

But that niche is now filled. By Linux. Now Haiku has to beat Linux or find its own niche. I would be very surprised to see Haiku or SkyOS gain anywhere near as much public recognition as Linux has...

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RE[5]: The Point

June 29, 2009, 11:26 am

My honest opinion here: You're talking out of your ass. Which basically translates to: "I only know what I hear from others." Haiku is quite stable, including on SMP systems... and code doesn't "rot" -...

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RE[4]: The Point

June 28, 2009, 9:44 pm

Well, I don't pay a whole lot of attention to the project. But as an OSNews reader I do notice it. They've been working on it for 8 years, and does Haiku really matter in 2009? Is it something I can...

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RE[3]: The Point

June 28, 2009, 5:02 pm

Any proof for your point, sir?

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RE[3]: The Point

June 27, 2009, 10:15 am

Care to point out how any of that is true?

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RE[2]: The Point

June 27, 2009, 5:37 am

I regard my Mac as a Unix box with good support for commercial software. The kernel sets the personality of an OS even if the modern trend of running userland program in a vm levels this a bit.

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RE[2]: Greed is what makes this world so bad

June 27, 2009, 1:03 am

What I actually said is that he *seems* to be little greedy. From what I know he is trying to sold out his OS for some amount of money, although it is based on OSS efforts. I know BSD license is far...

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Difference (or lack thereof) between kernels

June 26, 2009, 6:41 pm

This sounds to me like an interesting direction for SkyOS to take and I hope it bears fruit. It certainly sounds like things are progressing quite quickly! In partial response to those who are worrying...

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Off topic

June 26, 2009, 4:36 pm

Sorry to be off topic but there were a few things said about Haiku that I feel need to be cleared up. Except that Haiku is in perpetual pre-alpha and has a quickly detoriating code base. Unless they...

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RE[4]: SkyBuntu?

June 26, 2009, 1:09 pm

To clarify, parts of the Gnu Tool chain are used widely by many OSes including all of the BSDs. That is not meant to diminish the extraordinary accomplishments and hard work that the creator of Sky Os...

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RE: SkyOS using Linux does not mean SkyOS/Linux

June 26, 2009, 10:22 am

Really, Linux is nothing without GNU. Many people complain that they call it Linux, when they should say Linux/GNU. Without the GNU tools/app/whatever Linux is just something (IMHO) that talks to...

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SkyOS using Linux does not mean SkyOS/Linux

June 26, 2009, 9:50 am

I would not say I have a full grasp on the approach of moving an OS to a different kernel. I really think that the best examples would be OSX on Darwin. It is true to say that OSX is Unix by citing . I...

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RE[3]: SkyBuntu?

June 26, 2009, 7:55 am

I seriously doubt he's replacing all GNU Software. That would really be counter productive. I know you were going for Window manager/Userland/kernel. So it would probably be Sky/GNUsky/Linux. Speaking...

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RE[2]: The Point

June 26, 2009, 7:02 am

Hey! There's Syllable too, don't forget...

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RE: Desktop environment?

June 26, 2009, 6:54 am

Well, the fact that it won't use X is a great difference to me... Whether you consider that a good or bad thing is a different matter.

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RE: Apology

June 26, 2009, 6:49 am

OpenBSD would have been an interesting option if there was little interest in scalability given how much hardware OpenBSD supports. Hardcore security matched with a sexy easy to use UI would have been...

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RE[3]: The Point

June 26, 2009, 6:46 am

This is why some people would rather pressure the company that has BeOS's asset to completely open source it or revamp it. There is a fear that Haiku doesn't look like it'll be matured.

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RE[3]: GPL Anyone?

June 26, 2009, 6:40 am

Yeah, in theory Nvidia should open up their code but in practice Linus has said he is willing to look the other way - he isn't particularly religious about these sorts of things. I can understand that...

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Sky/Linux

June 26, 2009, 6:37 am

I've been following SkyOS since the beginning and this is definitely an interesting development. As long as Robert retains the rest of the SkyOS environment, I can't see any downside to bringing Linux...

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RE[2]: The Point

June 26, 2009, 6:30 am

Except that Haiku is in perpetual pre-alpha and has a quickly detoriating code base. Unless they manage to bring in the original NewOS developer to fix all the breakage (esp. SMP), the project is...

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RE: The Point

June 26, 2009, 6:28 am

Using the Linux kernel makes sense, sort of, in order to have access to the large selection of Linux drivers. But how about the applications? Will the 'new' SkyOS/Linux have original and unique SkyOS...

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RE[2]: SkyBuntu?

June 26, 2009, 6:25 am

Okay then ... he's replacing two things. So if you called Kubuntu KDE/GNU/Linux, then this would be Sky/Sky/Linux...because he has his own toolset and desktop environment?

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BlueEyedOS?

June 26, 2009, 6:16 am

Ok, so let me get this straight. SkyOS is in the process of porting / creating: Their C++ class library. Their Message passing system. An "App server" to handle GUI rendering as a userland process...

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RE: The Point

June 26, 2009, 6:02 am

no everyone but hardcore enthusiastics it's same what kernel an OS uses, what matters is if their hardware works with the OS. It wouldve taken decade worth of work hours from SkyOS to get hardware...

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RE: The Point

June 26, 2009, 5:10 am

I wholly agree... SkyOS used to be interesting for me until this announcement... Well, at least there's still Haiku around

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RE: The Point

June 26, 2009, 5:09 am

OSes aren't kernels If you think OS=kernel, then can you explain me how MacOS is close to FreeBSD ????

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The Point

June 26, 2009, 4:27 am

What's the point in using the Linux kernel? I always thought that diversity in the OS field lies in kernels. What makes Haiku, or syllable, or SkyOS so special was the fact they are completely...

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RE: Comment by kurenai

June 25, 2009, 11:33 pm

Changing the kernel code has no effect on if the proprietary SkyOS code needs to be GPL'd too. It's only the changes in the kernel he needs to release, whilst the rest can remain closed.

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RE: SkyBuntu?

June 25, 2009, 10:55 pm

nope, this will be comparable to syllable server edition. it will use linux kernel for compatibility and some bits and bobs to get it all dance and rest of the toolset is his.

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re: SkyBuntu?

June 25, 2009, 10:24 pm

This will not be something like SkyBuntu. He will not be using X.org or any X server. He is using the Linux kernel to driver the rest of the operating system. My guess about the GNU userland apps is...

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RE[2]: GPL Anyone?

June 25, 2009, 10:08 pm

Eh, Depends on how he's doing it. Binary kernel modules for the kernel ( which is what Nvidia does) are somewhat controversial. I can't explain it better than linus :

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SkyBuntu?

June 25, 2009, 9:44 pm

I'm wondeirng whether this is just another desktop environment which would replace xfce, gnome, or kde....or is it something that replaces GNU? Basically if you run this... will it be called...

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Desktop environment?

June 25, 2009, 8:49 pm

How will this make SkyOS different from other graphical desktop environments such as KDE or Gnome? Kinda sounds to me like OS X which is built using parts from FreeBSD's and NetBSD's implementation of...

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Nice to see SkyOS to progress forward

June 25, 2009, 8:44 pm

To [Be] honest, this thing seems to be quite interesting. I still like the idea of kernel extensions with no recompilation and stuff (just like the Darwin/OSX) but that is good to see. At least the...

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RE[3]: Greed is what makes this world so bad

June 25, 2009, 8:41 pm

What Window manager? Looks like SkyOS/Linux will use its own graphic engine. Or not?

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RE[2]: Greed is what makes this world so bad

June 25, 2009, 8:24 pm

Are you kidding? Firstly, this guy asks for money for a Beta - Come-On! Even Microsoft gives those away for free... Secondly, this guy promises a free full version - ah, yes, there's a tiny catch:...

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RE: Greed is what makes this world so bad

June 25, 2009, 7:20 pm

Why are you calling him greedy?

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RE: Greed is what makes this world so bad

June 25, 2009, 7:17 pm

He has a life, a family, a job. He had a new addition to his family, development stalled. Programmers often suffer from "writer's block" as well. Or simply the lack of inspiration / drive. I've...

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Greed is what makes this world so bad

June 25, 2009, 6:20 pm

Frankly said I don't know what this guy is trying to achieve. Is this a hobbyist, commercial or whatever-else OS? I guess he just can't decide, but he seems to be little greedy, which I don't like at...

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Apology

June 25, 2009, 5:18 pm

Good on you Thom for having the guts to apologise like that. I agree you may have had a point, but were quite aggressive about it. I personally would have been quite interested to have seen work done...

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Comment by kurenai

June 25, 2009, 4:31 pm

"Will using the Linux Kernel force Robert to publish his source code? Just being curious." Yes, if he's actually changing the kernel. No, not if he's just writing various daemons to provide app compat.

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very nice

June 25, 2009, 3:50 pm

Congrats Robert, glad to see you back up to bat. Looking forward to hearing more as you go along.

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Comment by ideasman42

June 25, 2009, 3:37 pm

good job!. Im surprised this hasn't happened sooner, there are a few windowing replacements for linux but none are that usable. DirectFB maybe but my impression is it doesnt give a framework for GUI...

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